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Where We Stand – The Tibetan Mastiff in the West Today!
June, 2015

by Mary Fischer

No one who is interested in the state of the dog fancy can have missed the fabulous prices that were offered for Tibetan Mastiffs in China only a couple of years ago. Nor can they have missed the recent article about the rescue of a wretched group of abused Tibetan Mastiffs who were destined for the slaughterhouse in the same country. What has brought a noble, intelligent, thoughtful, and valuable animal to such a pass in only a few years? How did it come to this?
No experienced dog person was surprised, it has to be said. Sudden faddish popularity has spelled the doom of many a great breed. Ours was merely the latest and most extreme case of a breed brought to the brink of destruction– first by a political situation that overwhelmed the dogs’ native environment. Then came unexpected popularity that threatened to overtake the efforts of the few responsible breeders who had managed to preserve the breed from extinction. Finally, there was an inevitable collapse of the market for the dogs, that had become merely an unfashionable commodity in a land that was not theirs in the first place. It’s been a wild ride, and it is for those of us who know and truly love this terribly exploited breed to pick up the pieces once again.
I first became seriously interested in the breed more than forty years ago when I read an article in Dog World (the American publication, not the British weekly of the same name.) It was about the almost legendary Tibetan Mastiff, and the famous Ausables Kennel, foundational to the breed on the East Coast of the United States.
Though I fell into the category of “starving student,” then, I grabbed the phone and dialed the number given in the article. In the course of several very costly hours of conversation with Linda Nash, I was forced to conclude that despite extensive experience with both wild and domestic animals, I didn’t have the proper keeping conditions to accommodate a dog of that magnitude. We were both disappointed, but I assured her that I wanted a puppy as quickly as I could address the difficulties. I didn’t know it then, but it would be twenty long years before I had the stability and space to acquire my first TM puppy. By then, the breed picture had changed, as had my life.
I had moved to the West Coast, and was fortunate to be able to consult with Ann Rohrer, author of the first substantial book about the breed in the United States: The Legendary Guardian of the Himalayas. I hoped eventually to acquire a puppy from every significant kennel then breeding the dogs. I haven’t yet been able to realize this ambition. I have, however, lived with and loved dogs from Funquest, Sierra’s, and Drakyi-Timberline Lines, as well as a charming representative of some of the European lines. Because the breed was so rare initially, and the lines so intertwined, this has given me a decent perspective on breedings in the West.
It was, as they say, a sobering experience. Very early in my love affair with the breed, I was forced to the realization that no animal has suffered more from advance publicity than has this one. The Tibetan Mastiff was believed to be fierce, mysterious, almost impossible to train, and huge. It was also classified by some as a Livestock Guardian breed and was thought to be extinct in the native country. None of these assertions has stood up to scrutiny, although the latter may have become uncomfortably close to the truth.
Before we examine these claims, we must first define the dog we are discussing, and give an idea of its history. Here the issue of nomenclature becomes important, and one of the problems the breed has suffered from historically is that most of the Westerners who were interested in the animals spoke neither Tibetan nor Chinese. The most important exception is Robert V. Ekvall, who spoke both languages and several local Tibetan dialects as well. His discussion of the breed has informed our understanding of the position and function of the dogs in their native environment, especially during the years 1923-1941. This is particularly valuable, since it predates the end of the ancient way of life practiced in Tibet.
The dog has been called the Tibetan Mastiff from the days of the very earliest Western explorers and travelers into that region. However, it’s important to realize that the term “Mastiff” (“Mastin” (Fr.) “Mastino” (It.) ) merely referred to a large dog until recently. So the Tibetan Mastiff is the large dog of Tibet. Over the centuries Westerners have picked up puppies or adult dogs they were able to acquire in the Himalayan Region, and brought them back to the West.
In 1847 Lord Hardinge, viceroy of India, sent a “Large Dog from Tibet” called Siring, to Queen Victoria. When The (English) Kennel Club was formed in 1873, with the first stud books, the official classification of the Large Dog from Tibet first became “The Tibetan Mastiff” in English. Two more Tibetan Mastiffs were brought to England by the then Prince of Wales (later King Edward VIII). These were exhibited at the Alexandra Palace Show in 1875. There were very few additional imports into England and the Continent until 1928 when The Hon. Col. and Mrs. Bailey imported four Tibetan Mastiffs, obtained during Col. Bailey’s posting as Political Officer in Sikkim, Nepal, and Tibet. The Baileys, especially Mrs.Bailey, were genuinely interested in the cultures they encountered and true dog fanciers. Mrs. Bailey even struck up an acquaintance with the Lama who administered the kennels for the Great Thirteenth Dalai Lama. She became a knowledgeable witness of the ancient regime in Tibet, and of the dogs that were bred there. In 1931 she formed the Tibetan Breeds Association in England. Their standard was adopted by The Kennel Club and thereafter, by the Federation Cynologique International (FCI), the governing body for all dog clubs in the world, other than those in Britain and the America.
There are several routes by which Tibetan Dogs arrived in the United States. In the 1950s, a pair of Tibetan Mastiffs were sent from Lhasa as a diplomatic gift to President Eisenhower. The dogs were sent to the President’s Gettysburg Farm, and largely disappeared from the pages of history. There is also longstanding “lore” in the breed to the effect that “Hippies” who had travelled to Katmandu, Nepal in the 1960s and 1970s found it expedient to send “restricted merchandise” back home in crates that contained Tibetan Mastiffs. In those relatively simpler times, customs officials were loathe to put their hands into the crates to test the veracity of the declarations, and tended to pass the shipments along. During the same period, several Tibetan Mastiffs arrived by more conventional methods from Nepal and India, and these few, early imports became the foundation of the breed here.
During this time, terrible reports about conditions in Tibet were featured in the press almost daily. Under the impression that the breed had been eradicated in the country of origin, dedicated fanciers and breeders worked energetically to perpetuate and stabilize the breed here. The first litter was registered in the U.S. in 1974 by Ausables Kennels in New York. This was the famous “A” Litter, which gave us Apache Anne, who became one of the great dams in the history of the breed. This would have been the litter that was planned when I first talked to Linda Nash. During that same year, despite the vanishingly rare status of the breed here, not one but two breed clubs came into existence in the United States—The American Tibetan Mastiff Association, and the Tibetan Mastiff Club of America. Later, a third was to come into being. Tibetan Mastiffs may not be as stubborn as their reputations would suggest, but the people who fancy them certainly are. At roughly the same time, Ann Rohrer’s Langtang Kennels produced several litters on the West Coast with her foundation sire, Kalu, and dam, Kipu, from Nepal.
Unfortunately, because of the concern to save what was thought to be a terribly endangered animal, a number of dogs picked up at random from the Himalayan region were incorporated into the early breeding stock here. Admittedly, some were not examples of the dog prized by the Tibetan clergy and aristocracy and recalled so fondly by explorers. In fact, the Tibetans have a particular distaste for free-roaming dogs, for which the polite term is “Street Dogs.” The Drukpa Nomads who breed the dogs we are discussing do have a symbiotic relationship with semi-feral dogs near their encampments, but the dogs they prized were actually dogs they bred, with carefully maintained Bone Lines (Paternal) and Flesh Lines (Maternal). This is the dog of song and story which is called the Dokhyi by those who bred and cherished the animal in Tibet. The name refers to a dog for “tying,” mostly at points of entry or vulnerability. [The Tibetan equivalent of the quaint sentry boxes at Buckingham Palace, would be the equally quaint sentry boxes that held chained Dokhyi around the Potala, the Dalai Lama’s palace in Lhasa.]
So the Tibetan Mastiff has been used as a guardian breed, without question. But it is not a classic livestock guardian breed in the Western sense. These are not dogs that bond to the stock, and attempts to get them to do so tend to be unsuccessful. The authentic breed is primarily oriented toward a relationship with people. In Tibet, the dog guarded Nomadic Families—their tents, horses, other dokhyi, children, old folks, etc. In other words, they guarded everything that pertained to their particular families, which included the stock.
Are they fierce? Well, authentic Tibetan Mastiffs are a rustic breed from a vast and dangerous environment. They were intended to make snap decisions: “Friend or foe, who goes there?” and act accordingly. They retain this ability even today, and their extraordinary judgment is probably the dog’s most salient characteristic for anyone who actually knows and understands them. Yes, they are big, showy and impressive in appearance. But it is the dog’s character that genuine fanciers talk about when they discuss their dogs. In this context, it has to be said that no breed is gentler or more kind with children and other baby animals when properly introduced to them. The Tibetan Nomads lived in an unforgiving environment, and there would not have been a single scrap of food available to nourish a dog that was a danger to flock or family. So the dogs were bred to know and defend their own, and be cautious in assessing anyone else who might have constituted a threat to them. It should be remembered that one of the names by which the breed is also known is “Heart Dog,” and no breed is either greater of heart, or better at “reading” the hearts of others.
By contrast, it has to be admitted that some of the most unpleasant humans on the face of the earth were drawn to the breed, whose reputation encouraged them to project their own aggressiveness and hostility onto their exotic charges. This writer has actually seen chat lists, mostly in Chinese, that seriously considered the question: “Who would win in a fight, “ a 300 pound Tibetan Mastiff or a lion?” There were some vain attempts to explain that no 300 pound Tibetan Mastiff ever existed, and that lions weigh 500-700 pounds. The respondents were beyond scathing in their insistence that such a huge dog existed, and was invincible. There was even a truly sick attempt to stage such a fight (with wagering of course) and the last I was able to bear of the pictures showed both animals with their hair standing on end, trying desperately to avoid each other. Large predators try very hard not to confront or even encounter each other, because in nature, even a slight injury can lead to incapacity and death.
Which brings us to the stories of giant Tibetan Mastiffs, known in some current circles as Tsang Khyi. The notion of the giant breed really got its start in a mention by Marco Polo, who described dogs “the size of donkeys.” Many fanciers and breeders, beguiled by tales of these giant dogs, have theorized that the reason we haven’t seen any of them must mean either that there was a secret “stash” of dogs hidden away by the Nomads (perhaps extinct), or that the breeding pool has been diluted (which has a good deal of truth to it, as mentioned.) It has also been noticed that quite small bitches are capable of throwing puppies that grow into very large dogs, and some cling to the hope that they can reconstitute this mythological giant beast from the stock at hand. Indeed, almost every giant breed known to human beings seems to have been sneaked into Tibetan Mastiff lines at some time or other in a vain attempt to accomplish this desire for a larger dog. The age of genetic analysis has done very little to stem this dishonesty, but it has yielded DNA results that suggest that the breed is of recent origin. That is surely not true, but the amalgam of stray DNA that entered the breeding stock in the West (and later in China, too) probably produced that result. There is a great deal of evidence that the Tibetan Mastiff has always been a large and imposing breed, but not a giant one. It is plenty big enough for those who genuinely love the real animal and not a chimera, and everyone who knows the breed can attest that it is “a lot of dog,” whatever its physical size. There is a good deal of question about whether Marco Polo ever saw Tibet but it is certain that the comparative he used was intended for a European audience that would have been familiar with the small Sicilian donkey. A dog that stood (on all fours) to the height of a man’s thigh, would still be substantial, but hardly the giant of legend.
Prior to this era, the term “Tsang Khyi” seems to be known only from one or two rare mentions in Ekvall, published years after his notes were written down in Tibet. There are essentially no other old references for this name. There are two likely explanations for this name: the term may refer to “a dog from Tsang,” and there is a historic district of Tibet called U-Tsang. The other possibility, which I personally have come to believe after many discussions with Tibetans (including Nomads who know the dokhyi), is that the word “Lion” in Tibetan is Senge, which can sound very much like Tsang in certain dialects. It’s possible that especially prized specimens were referred to affectionately as “Lion Dogs,” the way a person might call a lovely, heavily-maned dog “My Little Lion.” I have come to suspect that all the speculation about this name is based on the mishearing of what was, in fact, a “pet” name, but was never a name by which the breed was generally known and discussed.
Now we come to the nexus of breed lore—the Mystical dog of Noble Character. I’m pleased to be able to say, after a lifetime of association with this breed, that it is no myth. The Tibetan Mastiff always was, and remains, a dog of somewhat reserved nature, dignified but playful—gentle and affectionate with those he or she loves. One of the things that first drew me to the breed was a remark by Sven Hedin, the explorer, who described the profound nature of the dogs, which he valued more than superficial appearance. I found this to be true. A Tibetan Mastiff will love with the full resources of its great heart. It will in fact, be willing to give its life to defend its people, which imposes a great responsibility on them to prevent this from becoming necessary. It is not true that they are difficult to train. They are, in fact, enormously cooperative, taking pride in being a working member of the family. It is true that they require different techniques than dogs who function best under human guidance, like German Shepherd Dogs, for instance. The TM/Dokhyi is possessed of great prudence and something that can only be described as “wisdom.” Conventional training methods that rely on rote obedience bore this breed to tears. They quickly master most of the behaviors that are asked of them, and take great pleasure in performing them if it pleases their people. But their real task is guarding the home, and to that end, they tend to be restless if not given territory to patrol. They are also night barkers, a problem easily cured by taking the dogs indoors at night. I personally derive great comfort from my dogs, who pace our home at intervals during the night (and snore loudly the rest of the time.)
Attempts to train this breed to do Schutzhund work tend to be disastrous, as the thing that most greatly characterizes the breed is personal initiative and extreme inhibition in the use of power. One doesn’t wish to override these faculties lightly. They don’t normally attack just because a human orders them to, if they do not perceive actual danger. Attempts to make them do this have sometimes yielded confused and dangerous animals, but they are usually unsuccessful. My own dogs “started” at the “scary” person who leaped at them during their companion dog tests, and concluded that he wasn’t a real threat. Then they sat down again. That is typical. There are even stories of profoundly disturbed human beings who have starved and beaten Tibetan Mastiffs in an attempt to make them vicious. They failed, and two acquaintances who took in such a dog described him as a wonderful creature, but deeply disappointed in life. They said that despite their attempts to provide him with a secure and loving home, which he clearly appreciated, he just sort of “went away,” one day. That is to say, he faded away and died, although there was nothing obviously wrong with him. That is a trait Tibetan Mastiffs share with wild creatures that find themselves in circumstances they don’t understand. People often speak of wild animals as “savage,” but the truth is, many of them simply die of despair rather than adapting to the much more savage environments (as they see it) to which humans sometimes subject them.
Which brings me to what Ann Rohrer told me, more than twenty years ago, when I was agonizing about whether to get my first TM. She finally said, “Don’t worry so much about getting one of these puppies, Mary. The Tibetans believe that these dogs have a guardian spirit. They will find their true homes.” Despite my distress at what has happened to our breed at the hands of profiteers and myth makers, I have come to believe that she was right. The dogs that are being so shamefully exploited will do what their relatives have done for centuries. In trying to breed some bizarre animal that never was, and never will be, the unscrupulous people who have managed to acquire temporary custody of some of our dogs, will have lost the most important thing—the essence of the breed—the indomitable spirit of the dogs that stood guard in the highest mountains on earth. They will create an appearance, but lose the real thing. The authentic Dokhyi cannot survive under such conditions. Like my friends’ dog, they will simply “go away.”
In the end, it will remain for those who first knew and loved the dogs, some of whom are still left, to restore what is being lost, and return the breed to the one we all loved when we first encountered it. This has become a sad necessity and our responsibility to the dogs we love, who trust us. We have to hope that they will educate the breeders of the future about the most important aspect of the authentic Dokhyi–its noble character. I am glad I first made their acquaintance so long ago, because I have acquired a “feel” for an authentic Dokhyi when I see one. It was and is a wonderful animal. Even with all the myths stripped away, the authentic Tibetan Mastiff is quite marvelous enough for anyone with “eyes to see and ears to hear.”

Rather than making this article any longer, I’d like to suggest some sources for those who would like to know more about this fascinating breed:

The Tibetan Mastiff, Legendary Guardian of the Himalayas, by Ann Rohrer and Kathy Flamholtz, 1989
Fields on the Hoof, by Robert V. Ekvall, 1968
Role of the Dog in Tibetan Nomadic Society, by Robert V. Ekvall, Central Asiatic Journal, Vol. III, No. 3, September 1963
The Venerable Tibetan Mastiff, by Max Siber (Classic Dog Book Series), 1995
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The FKC didn't vote for China to host the WDS2019

The Finnish Kennel Club, alongside many other countries, was against granting the hosting rights for the World Dog Show 2019 to China at the General Assembly of the FCI a couple of weeks ago.
The Finnish Kennel Club voted for Germany instead.
In the same meeting the General Assembly voted for the hosting rights for the WDS2020. The Finnish Kennel Club did not vote for Spain.
The Finnish Kennel Club voted again for Germany.
The Norwegian Kennel Club published a press release in which it urges the FCI to move the World Dog Show 2019 out of China because of ethical concerns.
It also encourages exhibitors not to attend the event.

The Finnish Kennel Club's more detailed opinion on this issue will be decided by the Board. The Board will discuss the issue in its next meeting in August.

http://www.kennelliitto.fi/en/news/the- … he-wds2019

Вот это послание, признаюсь,  меня удивило.....
Что теперь скажут  поклонники Рика, которые утверждали в России, что родина породы Тибетский мастиф Китай?????
Почитайте письмо своего кумира...и постарайтесь запомнить: Родина настоящего тибетского мастифа - Тибет!!! А подделки - Китай....

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Richard Eichhorn

My reply letter today to a Chinese dog club official and friend, a liaison and negotiator with CNKC and the CKU.

Hello.

Nice to hear from you, and I appreciate your insight and input. Open dialogue and the international exchange of ideas are crucial to promote understand and to allay fears as China enters the FCI. I agree with you that foremost in this process must be the history of the breed from TIBET, the science of breeding in regards to preserving type, health and temperament, and respect for established breeding populations and standards globally.

I will be blunt here to try to give you some perspective. The uproar and petitions being circulated now to reverse FCI decisions regarding the Tibetan breeds and the 2019 World Dog Show for FCI are a result of a profound disdain and distrust of China when it comes to animals in general, and especially for purebred dogs. Western culture demands that animals be treated humanely, sometimes respected as family members, and if for food, that they be respected and killed with dignity. No torture, no throwing into hot oil alive, no being beaten and bloodied to death and skinned because the flavor is better or the meat more tender. As a result of advanced technology, these vivid and gruesome images are all over the Internet, and paint China as a place for animal exploitation and cruelty. I realize that these practices are not related to purebred dog lovers in China, but they tarnish the reputation and destroy trust.

One thing that must be understood is that most of the people who are involved with the Tibetan breeds also share a deep love and respect for the Tibetan people and their culture. They want to help preserve it, protect it and restore it. Their breeds were a product of ancient Tibet, a dog loving and nurturing religious culture where ancestors are even reincarnated as Tibetan Mastiffs. The West was made very aware of the cruelty of the brutality of the Chinese army who invaded Tibet in the 1950's, forcing peaceful and religious monks to kill their own Tibetan Mastiffs. It is a legacy of abuse and arrogance that China has earned for itself and is branded deep into Western opinion, and the last decade of Tibetan Mastiff exploitation and manipulation in China, and now abandonment and neglect of the breed has done nothing to change that opinion, but rather to reinforce it. And, the very poor timing of these graphic images of arrogant dog meat festivals coming out at the same time as the FCI/CKU announcement??? It could not have been worse or more careless timing. There is no trust, no respect and no support for anything to do with China and the stewardship of beloved Tibetan breeds. FCI should be ashamed of themselves for the secrecy, poor execution and closed-door politics to secure the big financial prize that comes with Chinese registrations and the millions, even billions of Euros and Dollars in revenue. In winning the bidding war against AKC, FCI has lost the support and respect of the Westerners that have made the FCI the success it is today. FCI has failed to serve its constituency.

I say all of this to give you some perspective. The West has been the custodian, guardian and protector of the Tibetan breeds for half a century or more, and nothing China can do or say is going to change that, especially in light of all the aforementioned atrocities. It is a GRAVE insult to suggest that China is suddenly somehow the "Country of Origin" for the Tibetan breeds. It simply is not true. They may be the country of patronage by mutual agreement with the FCI, but the country of origin is, and should remain Tibet. That is my suggestion. "Country of Origin: Tibet. Country of patronage: China" That is the first step, and was a terrible and careless oversight of the FCI administrators who negotiated China entering into the FCI. My 100% German grandfather emigrated to the US from Germany in 1913. Today, that part of Germany is now Poland. Does that mean that my Grandfather is suddenly Polish, because of borders redefined by war? No, of course not. And the ancient Tibetan breeds, developed by the Tibetan people in Autonomous Tibet MUST remain true to their Tibetan roots, and cannot suddenly become Chinese breeds because of new drawings on a map. I hope you can understand this profound Western perspective and the fierce opposition to any reassignment of the Tibetan breeds. History cannot be rewritten as a spoil of war.

Now is the time for the true, dog-loving Chinese breeders, owners and fanciers to make themselves known, and to be above reproach and without compromise as the newest member of the FCI. And while this does not impact me directly as an AKC specialist judge and breeder under the AKC Standard, the trickle down effect will be felt by all. The CKU has much to prove, and open lines of humble, respectful communication to the Western Tibetan dog lovers who have saved the breeds from extinction since 1959, deserve to be revered and respected for that devotion and wisdom, tenants of Chinese culture itself. Yes, the 2019 World Show in Shanghai will no doubt be spectacular, but if the Chinese dog lovers and CKU officials want international respect, support and participation, they have their work cut out for them.

Humbly and respectfully,

Richard W. Eichhorn
AKC/ASCA Judge and Breeder of Merit
Drakyi Tibetan Mastiffs
wwwtibetanmastiff.com

Позиция по проведению Чемпионата Мира в Китае Пола Стэнтона.....

THE FOLLOWING LETTER IS FROM PAUL STANTON...a very well known and respected judge, exhibitor and dog lover.
Paul has had Tibetan breeds for over 40 years...so he knows what he is talking about.

OUR DOGS are happy to carry his views as part of the ongoing debate on the issue regarding the World Show in Shanghai.

FOR INFORMATION: In this weeks OUR DOGS we have carried an in depth article on this subject.
We have found that the Yulin Council is already trying to distance itself from the meat trade.
They say that their festival is a recent summer solstice event and they have NEVER set out to call it the Yulin Dog Meat Festival.

OUR DOGS is continuing to put pressure on the town council to BAN anyone who trades in dog meat and we are also liaising with a number of Far East Kennel Clubs who share the same view, including the China Kennel Union.
What we need now is a concerted effort from all dog lovers, exhibitors or pet owners, to grab this opportunity of heightened awareness and finally PUT A STOP to this abhorrent practice.

Here is Paul Stanton's view on the subject; NOTE: both Paul and OUR DOGS welcome your views on the subject and we recognize that people hold strong views either way.
What is most important is that we all have a common aim to close down the dog meat trade.

PAUL STANTON WRITES:

I have waited 2 days now to write my views and when i did it was very long. I have had others read it first!
Three different issues are being heatedly debated here on Fb and Torbjörn and I have been inundated with telephone calls and emails but most people seem to have put all 3 issues to-gether in a huge campaign against China!
I have had Tibetan Breeds for well over 40 years, have owned or bred all 4 of the smaller breeds and have been Chairman for 5 years of the Tibetan Mastiff Club of Sweden so I have very deep roots with these wonderful breeds, Tibet and its religion & culture and yes i have been an activist against China over Tibet, how many of you have gone on protests against China or had secret meetings with Tibetans living in your country?, well i have done all of this and if you look back on my Timeline you will see how I much I have supported Tibet BUT?
I only intend to give my views on 2 of the issues just now and the first is the horrific and disgusting Yulin dog meat festival which goes back 600 years (see note above from OUR DOGS) BUT you would think in these modern times that we "wonderful" humans would have more respect for animals but of course NOT as we do not even have respect for other humans, worldwide there is raping, pillaging, girls sold as slaves, women denied their rights as equals in many countries, abuse and murder by hideous methods of Gay men, suicide bombers murdering innocent people etc. etc. Yes, it makes me feel sick to see photos of dogs being tortured to death just like i feel sick when i see photos of seal cubs being bludgeoned to death, or cattle killed by halal method (bleeding to death), whales killed without mercy, sharks that have their fins cut off then left to die slowly, Galgo dogs being strung up to die by hanging (this is what i have read to-day) what happens to racing Greyhounds that are old or unsuccessful?, bullfighting etc. etc. After thousands of years of so called development we humans are still worse than animals!
Should the CKU (China Kennel Union) have the WDS 2019 taken away from them when they won the democratic vote of the member countries at the FCI General Congress? I firmly believe they should KEEP the WDS for several reasons and the strongest point is that the CKU is already working for the betterment of dogs in China by promoting pedigree dogs and through this the general welfare and care of dogs, they announced at the FCI congress that they were firmly against the Yulin Dog Festival so NO KC can say they did not know what was happening in China!

There has never been a WDS in Asia (OUR DOGS NOTE...there has been a world show once...in Japan)
but you ask " why does it have to be China"????? well i believe that the Asia Pacific members got to-gether to promote one country and they decided that China was best equipped to hold such an important show and i firmly believe this will be an "eye opener" to millions of Chinese as it will surely be broadcasted on many tv stations. If Japan did not have special regulations about dogs coming in to that country then they would have arranged a WDS long ago but unfortunately they do! In the vote there were 3 European countries, Spain & Germany who have already held WDS and Croatia who have held a successful EDS all tying to get the European votes so this meant a division and made it easier for China to win with the backing of the other Asian countries and probably a lot of the South & Latin American votes!
I firmly believe that those of us who have judged in China know the sincerity and hard work that the CKU are doing to promote dogs in general and we HERE are criticizing them instead of supporting them!
The Norwegian KC has come out with a circular to the FCI demanding that the WDS be taken away from China and more or less threatening their members not to show or judge at the WDS? What happened to democracy???? I have also read here on Facebook that the ÖKV (Austrian KC) has also written a similar letter to the FCI.
Only once before can i remember that judges in Sweden were warned NOT to judge in a country and that was South Africa many years ago and because of Apartheid.
Did these countries and I suppose there will be more KC.s soon sending circulars "reserve the right to oppose this vote/proposition"? or did they keep quiet and now only do something because so many of their members are now "clamouring for blood"?
I do not expect you all to agree with me but i do expect you to respect by views and if you cannot you are welcome to delete me?
I am aware that we all have strong feelings on these issues but PLEASE do not mix them to-gether and yes, IF i am invited back to China I will accept!

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Мнение Пола Стэнтона,  на изменение тибетским породам страны происхождения Тибет > Китай....

This is my answer to the third of the "China issues", that of the origin of the Tibetan Breeds, many have anxiously waited for me to take a stand but i needed time to think clearly and it has taken longer because of the huge amounts of messages on Fb mostly against but even some agreeing with my previous "thoughts" but you need to read what i published yesterday to understand why i divided the three China issues in to three separate issues!

The Tibetan Breeds have always come from Tibet and what ever place of origin it is changed to we will always consider Tibet as the country of origin!
Now politically Tibet is governed ( in most eyes invaded) by China and this will never change and as the world accepts that China now controls/owns Tibet this makes our position very precarious?
What can we do besides screaming, writing letters, posting protests, threatening exhibitors and judges that might attend the WDS etc? The CKU will probably NOT listen to us now because we are rude and look down on China as a nation ruled by a Communist government with some of their people behaving like they live in the "dark ages" and they certainly will NOT listen now when Norway demands that a new country is found for the WDS in 2019 and that the KC (UK) has publicly announced that they will not attend the WDS in Shanghai! I now believe that any chances we might have had to persuade the CKU to listen to our pleas have completely vanished! The KC, AKC and other KC,s that do not belong to the FCI can still write whatever they like as country of origin and patronage but the FCI has to obey by its own regulations and wishes of its members country KC.s.
The Tibetan Mastiff (FCI patron & breed standard) has survived very well in Tibet up to to-day but the Lhasa Apso, Tibetan Terrier, Tibetan Spaniel and Shih Tzu would most probably be extinct if it was not for the British expeditions to Tibet who were given these small valuable dogs as gifts and thus we could save these breeds from WW2 and the Chinese Cultural Revolution! It is through the great work of the British breeders and enthusiasts that these breeds have gone forward to be some of the most important breeds in the history of the dog, of course enthusiasts in the USA especially with Lhasa Apsos have done much to promote this breed and also breeders throughout the world that have come to love these very special little dogs from Tibet. One point that I have been brought up ( English born) to understand is that the Shih Tzu is not a Tibetan breed but in fact a Chinese breed resulting in crossing the Lhasa Apso with the Pekingese.
It was NOT a shock to me that China has claimed the origin of the Tibetan Breeds as Chinese and we all should have seen it coming! China sees Tibet as being part of China and not as a distinct country so they think it is quite normal that the origin should be changed to China whatever we think BUT on my 5 previous visits to China to judge I have had countless discussions with committee member on these issues and here I will share with you what has happened so far:
The CKU is aware of the two types of Tibetan Mastiffs and they call them "Tiger" (European/Tibetan type) and the "Lion" (Chinese type). In 2011 the very first World Congress for Tibetan Mastiffs was held in Germany and the Vice President and Gen Sec. of the CKU attended and I think it was an "eye opener" for them to see the dedication of breeders and enthusiasts throughout Europe, they showed great interest in all the subjects including a "hands on" done by myself and watched with great interest when Torbjörn Skaar judged the club show. Since then I have twice held seminars for would be judges (when i asked how many judges they had in China the answer i received was "Paul, how can we have judges we are new and still learning?" this was a very refreshing answer unlike many other new countries) both times I included the Tibetan Mastiff and once each Lhasa Apsos and most recently in April the Shih Tzu. The CKU invited breeders from different countries to a meeting in China and last year i was asked to grade but not place 30+ Tibetan Mastiffs and pick out the ones I thought were really typical and of the 5 i pulled out i was delighted to learn that 4 were from one kennel and later i got to meet the breeder who was only interested in authentic Tibetan Mastiffs!
In China they name Tibet and do not call it by any other name at least not when speaking English, so all the Tibetan breeds are called just the same as we call them here. I have not seen any Tibetan Spaniels or Lhasa Apsos in China and only two TT.s that came from Russia to be shown but now you can find a few Shih Tzus which I am sure will become more popular soon just like they are in the rest of Asia. I have seen some glorious Chows and very decent Pugs but no Shar Peis yet and still the Tibetan Mastiff is "king" and will probably become the national breed of China but this is just my thought!
I have been promised twice and yesterday was the latest time that the CKU are NOT interested in changing breed standards and quite the opposite they have thanked the European breeders and enthusiasts for taking care and developing "their" breeds and this is what we will have to get used to whether we like it or not that China and the politicians of the world see China & Tibet as one nation! I have sent a suggestion to the CKU that I hoped could be agreed on by the CKU and Tibetan breeders worldwide that the country of origin should be "Tibet, autonomous region of China" or something similar combining the two names BUT i cannot see that happening now as no one has been able to think ahead as to how we could salvage "origins" to be acceptable to all?
The patronage can never be China because they have done nothing for these breeds but just maybe they might agree to " UK & China" or something similar?
It has taken too much of my energy these last few days and I hope I can have a quiet weekend in the garden with my thoughts and I will leave it to you to think rationally what we can achieve or maybe now what we could have achieved? It is lobbying to the FCI and your home countries KC that is needed NOT threats and screams as that will get us no where!

Paul Stanton / 25 Июнь 2015 · Tyresö, Sweden

Хочу сообщить открыто всем, кто еще не знает:  владельцам и заводчикам тибетских мастифов, не имеющих Китайских собак.

В Россию поступило предложение по присоединению к Единому Международному обращению клубов НКП,  заводчиков и владельцев тибетских мастифов, уважающих стандарт 2004 года и историю породы..

Так как, наш НКП  и весь его менеджмент, занимается разведением и распространением Китайских собак  и обращаться за поддержкой к клубу нет смысла,
все Российские заводчики и владельцы ТМ, желающие участвовать в справедливом разрешении вопроса патронажа породы тибетский мастиф и будущего породы,  будут иметь возможность поставить свою подпись под Международным обращением в FCI.
Данное обращение будет распространяться среди всех, кто хочет участвовать и кому не безразлично будущее породы.
Желающие его получить - пишите в личку. Звоните. Все поясню.

В России нас не мало. Вместе мы сила! Не дадим Китаю исказить историю и изуродовать ТМ. Сохраним породу!!!

Обращение от  заводчиков Польши....

Zwracamy się z pismem, aby wyrazić nasz niepokój w związku z ostatnim anonsem FCI o zmianie nazwy kraju pochodzenia dla następujących ras: Mastif Tybetański, Terier Tybetański, Spaniel Tybetański, Lhasa Apso, Shih Tzu. W opinii większości miłośników ras tybetańskich – owa zmiana pochodzenia ras nie jest zmianą historii, ale otwartym wyrażeniem braku jej poszanowania. Wraz z decyzją FCI na spotkaniu w marcu 2015 r. przegłosowującą zmianę kraju pochodzenia w/w ras, zlekceważono historię ich pochodzenia jak i historię oraz dorobek zarówno pionierów i klubów tych ras, jak i hodowców i wystawców zaangażowanych w te rasy. Z decyzją tą wiąże się więcej następstw: 1.Problem krajów patronackich 2.Ochrona wzorców aktualnie obowiązujących 3.Ochrona aktualnie obowiązującego nazewnictwa tych ras. Jako grupa miłośników, hodowców i właścicieli -zwracamy się z prośbą do wszystkich klubów ras , do których przynależą : Mastif Tybetański, Lhasa Apso, Spaniel Tybetański, Terier Tybetański i Shih Tzu, bądź organizacji kynologicznych - członków FCI z prośbą, aby ten problem (ta kwestia) została potraktowana priorytetowo podczas obrad następnego zebrania FCI. Prosimy aby był to głos tak Waszych członków, jak również entuzjastów ras tybetańskich, którzy w ten sposób chcą wyrazić niepokój i troskę hodowców, wystawców i miłośników o przyszłość tych ras, zapewniając, że fakty (prawdziwa historia) są nie do zatajenia. Z wyrazami szacunku

Петиция составлена! Отправляется на трех языках.
Кому отправлять русскую версию  для подписи? Кто боится публичности - пишите в личку. Подписывать могут не только заводчики питомников, но и владельцы тибетов.

Вместе с данной петицией,  Российские заводчики дублируют  обращение в FCI, отправленное в январе 2015 года и требуют официальный ответ.
Текст обращений в FCI + прикрепленные фото к первому обращению будут  опубликованы на fb.

*Так что некоторым, прежде, чем улыбнуться, надо вспомнить поговорку )))))

Людмила

Отправлю, Людмила. Сейчас Питер подписывает. Там организовали сбор подписей.  После выходных отправлю всем остальным по регионам....

P.S. Петиция единая. Подписи ставим по очередности получения. Никаких отдельных петиций от владельцев и заводчиков не высылайте.  Все единое.
Пишите ФИО.   Заводчик - название питомника, приставки ( как в свидетельстве. на англ яз) Если  владелец - пишите кличку собаки и № родословной. Далее свою роспись.
Подтверждаем подписи прикрепляемыми документами: владельцам  -  родухами на собак, Заводчика -  свидетельствами регистрации питомника - приставки, паспортами.
Все документы перечеркиваем линией  по диагонали.
Ставим надпись по черте  "FCI".. и на них так же  расписываемся.  усе.
Будут вопросы- пишите...звоните